Date début année du DRAGON D EAU

Bonjour,

pour un bébé né le 30 janvier 2012 il devrait être né en année du dragon chen puisque nous entrons dans l'année du dragon le 23 janvier à 8H40. Hors sur le logiciel BAZI quand on calcule on tombe sur une année mao lapin..Quelqu'un a t il une explication à cela ? Merci et bonne journée

féedulogis a écrit:Bonjour,

pour un bébé né le 30 janvier 2012 il devrait être né en année du dragon chen puisque nous entrons dans l'année du dragon le 23 janvier à 8H40. Hors sur le logiciel BAZI quand on calcule on tombe sur une année mao lapin..Quelqu'un a t il une explication à cela ? Merci et bonne journée

D'après mes calculs en vérifiant sur le calendrier des 10 000 ans et sur le calendrier 2012 d'un auteur connu ce sujet on est à partir du 23 en TC : ren eau yang et BT chen....Il doit y avoir une erreur de logiciel.

Bonjour,

La question est légitime mais je ne pense pas qu'il y ai d'erreur mais plus une habitude d'utilisation.

Avant tout, une petite remarque sur les mots. "TC : ren eau yang et BT chen."
Je suppose ici qu'il s'agit de TC pour Tronc Céleste et BT pour Branche Terrestre ? ?

A savoir que sur tous les forum ou blog que j'ai vu de part le monde en anglais très souvent, il n'est Jamais utilisé ces lettres. Les habitudes internationales sont HS pour Heavenly Stem (tronc célèste en Francais) et EB Early Branch (branche terrestre).

Je n'aime pas trop l'anglais moi non plus, mais pour être cohérent avec les autres sites internet, je préférerai qu'il soit utilisé les termes internationaux HS et EB pour plus de clarté. D'autant que beaucoup d'inscrits sur le forum vont régulièrement sur les site anglo-saxon.

Bonne journée

Bonjour,

https://astropalais.forumactif.com/h4-calendrier-chinois-soli-lunaire


Comme on peut le voir le calendrier du forum, le 24 Janvier 2020 est la date de la nouvelle lune (symbole rond noire) et le 4 février est la date du premier chi solaire de la nouvelle année (symbole étoile noire).

Les praticiens de fengshui/bazi n'utilisent pas le calendrier lunaire la plupart du temps, ceux qui font de l'astrologie zi wei dou shu n'utilisent eux que le calendrier soli-lunaire. Et certains sites vietnamien utilisent aux choix l'un ou l'autre (ex: https://astropalais.forumactif.com/h12-fengshuizone-calculateur-chiffre-KUA en changeant de menu vers le calculateur bazi qui demande lune ou soleil?)

Le logiciel astropalais.xls a télécharger sur son pc a une option pour prendre lune ou soleil

Les configurateurs du forum internet ba-zi sont eux exclusivement basés sur le soleil
https://astropalais.forumactif.com/h1-ba-zi-4-signes-chinois-du-jour
https://astropalais.forumactif.com/h2-bazi-calculateur-4-piliers-et-decennie

Les configurateurs du forum internet ziweidoushu sont exclusivement basés sur le calendrier soli-lunaire.
https://astropalais.forumactif.com/h3-zi-wei-dou-shu-calculateur-35-energies

En espérant avoir répondu à la question . . .

Merci bonne journée

Bonjour Tchounfou, Fée du logis et tous,

Un petit coucou en passant...

Voici un article de Robert Lee (geomancy.net) qui pourrait compléter ce sujet :

En anglais, désolée...

COPY :

"CHINESE LUNAR CALENDAR AND SEASONAL CALENDAR

There is basically two different calendar that is used in Chinese Calendar System:-

1) Chinese Lunar Calendar - This is used most commonly based on Moon rotation to the Earth. That is where you get the Full Moon etc. This is also commonly used as the defacto calendar format you see in most Chinese Calendar.

2) Seasonal Calendar (Xia/H'sia Calendar or some call Chinese Solar Calendar) - This is used to determine the seasonal influence. So far used partially in the Ba Zi for seasonal influence analysis and any analysis that requires the seasonal influence.

Example of the differences:-

Chinese Lunar Calendar 2009 Year of the OX is from 26 Jan 2009 to 13 Feb 2010.
Seasonal Calendar 2009 Year of OX is from 4 Feb 2009 to 18 Feb 2010

Blind Period / Gray Period:-
The difference 16 Jan 2009 to 3 Feb 2009 where the Chinese Lunar Calendar vs Seasonal Calendar is often called the gray or blind period. This is where though the moon has passed, the season has not yet come into play.

Both the Chinese Lunar and Seasonal Calendar are equally important calendars for the Chinese Calendar system. Only difference lies in one focus on the moon and another focus on the seasons. So there is you cannot say that one calendar is better than the other. They are each mant for different purpose. They are almost similiar except how they define the starting date of each month. "

"HOW DIFFERENT CALENDAR SYSTEM AFFECTS THE BA ZI CHART

Various variation of Ba Zi (Pillars of Destiny or Four Pillars) Analysis

Generally, if you use a common calendar format for the entire ba zi chart, you cannot be faulted. This is because the analysis will be correct when you relate the different pillars in the same calendar format. Such as the year to the month pillar or the month to the day pillar.

However, it will be wrong if two different calendar format are mixed and you try to relate the pillars together.


A) Ba ZI WITH FULL CHINESE LUNAR CALENDAR

A ba zi chart done with Full Chinese Lunar Calendar will look like this:-

Chinese Lunar Calendar Ba Zi
Year: Ji-Chou (Ox) - (Lunar Calendar Year)
Month: Bing-Yin - (Lunar Calendar Month)
Day: Xin-Wei - (Lunar Calendar Day)


B) BA ZI WITH FULL SEASONAL CALENDAR (XIA/H'SIA)

A ba zi chart done with Full Seasonal Calendar will look like this:-

Seasonal Calendar Ba Zi
Year: Wu-Zi (Rat) - (Seasonal Calendar Year)
Month: Yi-Chou - (Seasonal Calendar Month)
Day: Xin-Wei - (Seasonal Calendar Day)


C) BA ZI WITH MIXED LUNAR & SEASONAL CALENDAR

A ba zi chart done with mixed Lunar & Seasonal Calendar will look like this:-

Mixed Lunar & Seasonal Ba Zi
Year: Ji-Chou (Ox) - (Lunar Calendar Year)
Month: Yi-Chou - (Seasonal Calendar Month)
Day: Xin-Wei - (Lunar Calendar Day)


Basically, both a) Ba zi with Full Chinese Lunar Calendar or b) Ba Zi with Full Seasonal Calendar are both technically correct as they both will use one consistent calendar format for the full chart. c) Ba Zi with mixed lunar & seasonal Calendar is however INCORRECT.

There are some websites which will generate the Ba zi with Mixed Lunar Calendar & Seasonal Calendar which is NOT correct. It is absolutely wrong to mixed the calendar format. This is like comparing an Apple to an Orange. How can you have a chart that is showing the day and year in Lunar calendar and month in Seasonal Calendar."


"So if both a) Ba Zi Calendar with Full Ba Zi Calendar and b) Ba Zi Calendar with Full Seasonal Calendar is technically correct. So why is it [website] adopted the Lunar Calendar vs the Seasonal Calendar?

This is because you must understand that if you show a chart in the Seasonal Calendar, it actually greatly eases your need to calculate the next luck pillar, the seasons etc. As based on just the month or year, you can easily plot the chart out manually. We know personally how difficult it is to calculate a ba zi chart manually. Furthermore, this affects actually only a handful of people that falls in the Gray/Blind period. Otherwise, the chart is exactly identical.

For a Ba Zi Chart done in Lunar Calendar, you need to calculate the seasons where necessary, and thus making it more time consuming to analyse or plot out other information. Just by looking at the Ba Zi chart that is shown in the Lunar Calendar."

"A) DIFFERENCE IN YEARLY HOROSCOPE

The main reasons is the difference in the Horoscope sign that you will have if you use a Seasonal Calendar. In the seasonal calendar, for those born in usually Dec/Jan/Feb may find that you may end up with your ba zi horoscope as Rat, whereas in the Chinese Horoscope or Chinese Calendar as Ox. So which horoscope sign to use if you are in such a situation? Are you a Ox or a Rat?

For example:-

Chinese Lunar Calendar 2009 Year of the OX is from 26 Jan 2009 to 13 Feb 2010.
Seasonal Calendar 2009 Year of OX is from 4 Feb 2009 to 18 Feb 2010

By using the Chinese Lunar Calendar Ba Zi, your Horoscope sign will be Ox once you cross 16 Jan 2009. This will be the same even when you use the Chinese Horoscope analysis.

However, should you be using the Seasonal Calendar for the same date 16 Jan 2009. You will get a situation where your ba zi will say that you are a Rat, while your chinese horoscope considers you a Ox. So under this situation which horoscope compatibility do you apply? Are you a Rat or a Ox?

The Chinese Horoscope has a lot of features about compatiblity and if this compatiblity analysis differs from the Ba zi horoscope, what to believe?

This is one of the major problem that you will find if you use the Ba Zi Seasonal Calendar. By sticking to the Chinese Lunar Calendar, you won't have this conflict. As such, be it the ba zi or chinese horoscope you will be a Ox once you cross the 26 Jan 2009.

B) ADVANCED PILLAR OF DESTINY ANALYSIS

As we have learnt both the Chinese Lunar and Seasonal Calendar ba zi calculation. We found that when you do convert the chart to the Seasonal Ba Zi Chart, you will actually not be able to calculate a couple of advanced ba zi analysis. As that really depends on your actual Chinese Calendar month. The blind or gray period actually is necessary for such calculation. But this won't be possible if you use the Ba Zi Seasonal Calendar.


C) LUCK FORECAST FOR A BA ZI LUNAR CHART ACTUALLY PROVIDED A MORE ACCURATE FORECAST FROM OUR EXTENSIVE TESTING

Having done so many ba zi analysis, we find that the ba zi chart actually provided a more accurate forecast than one that is charted out from the Seasonal Calendar.

This is because the ba zi lunar chart can be related to the chinese horoscope and many other concepts that is based on the lunar calendar.

Ba Zi is only one of the many tools in feng shui / horoscope. It has it's strength and weakness. But if you are able to put together analysis from various reports, you actually cancel out each other's weakness and re-enforce the final intepretation.

This is why we say that the ba zi lunar chart when put together with other concepts often allows us to better troubleshoot the source of the problems and thus able to apply the concepts more effectively. "

"D) BA ZI LUNAR CHART CALCULATION IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE REALLY KNOWS ABOUT IT

As most books available to teach Ba Zi books available on feng shui were written by Hong Kong Masters. Most Hong Kong Masters are applying the Ba Zi Seasonal Calendar. So most people who learn Ba Zi are basically learning and applying thisthis method of calculation.

However, having more people using it simply because it can be easily learnt from books. Does not necessary mean that it is the only way or the best method available.

In our case, we are able to chart both the Chinese Lunar and Seasonal Calendar Ba Zi. Which means we know the pros and cons of each of the concepts. But eventually choosen to use the Chinese Lunar Calendar over the Seasonal Calendar because of the a few critical issues we noted and that it missed out a lot of advanced analysis of the Ba Zi Lunar Chart.

So we do not see why we should give users a less accurate analysis for the sake of convenience."

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Bonne journée

Merci j'ai bien compris du coup....J'y ai pensé mais j'avais des doutes...
Merci pour toutes vos réponses...
Très belle journée
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